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Dirty Little Secret #1:

The Shelf-life of a DVD-R/+R is ONLY 2 to 5 years.

By: Bruce Mayfield

The old Chinese proverb, "Be careful of what you ask for" is profoundly prudent advice when making the statement: "I want my movie film on DVDs". 

ALL film transfer studios -- not just the "transfer mills" -- use DVD-R or DVD+R technology. We use DVD-R, which is most compatible with most DVD players.

Most transfer mills DO NOT want you to know that DVDs have an unexpectedly short shelf life of 2 to 5 years. Their whole production process focuses on the use of silver & dye based DVD-R technology -- and nothing else -- to archive your films. When I say "archive" I mean, "To store ALL of the original image, of each and every original image -- for a long, long, time."

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Reference: Computer World: January 2006: Primarily deals with CD-R technology, but includes DVDs in its warning to both data and image archivist in 1st paragraph: Computerworld article.

The very integrity of CD-R and DVD-R technology -- which are chemically very similar --is now being challenged by media experts worldwide.  Some experts -- like Kurt Gerecke, a physicist and storage expert at IBM Deutschland GmbH -- are now reporting that the life of some optical media (CD-R and DVD-R) to be only 2 to 5 years.

These statements are clearly backed by longevity tests on "dye based" platter technology -- CD-R, DVD-R and DVD+R --  conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology.  Results showed that failure rates for dye based DVDs with silver backing (originally thought to have a long life) were far worse than anyone had realized.

Reference: Results of CD-R and DVD-R longevity tests. Journal of Research of the National Institute of Standards and Technology -- Volume 109, Number 5, September-October 2004
See an HTML conversion of the study paper.
(A link to the original is at the end)

The fall-out from this study is that Computer Industry and the Federal Government -- are ditching DVD-R, DVD+R, and CD-R for "archiving" any type of digital data or digital imagery.

Do not confuse "backups"  with "archives".  A client of ours who is a government employee provided us with the links above; He says that some government agencies -- including the Library of Congress -- are now giving caution to their employees on the use of silver backed dye based optical technology for "archives".

MiniDV tapes, a good archive media for the "mainstream".

An "archive" is a long term concept versus the short-term idea of "backups".  In the ComputerWorld warning on the use of CD-R, DVD-R and DVD+R for "backups", corporate wisdom is to  "back up" your "backups" every 2 years. As for "archiving", the word of wisdom is: use nothing but metal particle magnetic digital tape.

Do you still want you films "archived" -- to DVDs?

What do we do?

We capture your film, in a "virgin capture", to MiniDV digital tape, a metal particle digital tape.

Dirty Little Secret #2:

"Digital Copies" are not the "Digital Equivalent" to Your Original Film

Transfer Mills sell you a "digital copy" of your film on DVD.  They do NOT sell you the "digital equivalent" of your film on DVD. Technically, that is impossible.

Transfer Mills do NOT want you to know, you need a "digital master tape" -- made directly from your original film. They want to sell you a DVD "copy" of your film. After having read Dirty Little Secret #1, you now know why your film should NOT be "archived" to a DVD only - because a DVD is not an archive.

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Right now, your original film is your master. In fact, there is no copy, of any kind, your original film.

What is worse, you have almost "used it up". Your original film is "going bye bye" - otherwise, you would not be reading my website.

You need the digital equivalent of your film - in every way - to preserve what is left of your film, that is to say, preserve the earliest record "moving images" of your family roots - which will forever be priceless to your progeny - unless you screw up now.

FACT: Your film is "high resolution" - your "digital master" should be as well.

FACT: Your film is made up of "full frame pictures" - thousands of complete pictures - so should your "digital master".

Dirty Little Secret #3:

DVDs are not "high resolution".

If I told you I was "throwing away half of your movie film to transfer to DVD", would you do it?

Well, that is exactly what "transfer mills" are doing. Each one of the "little pictures" in your film is made up of hundreds of "little lines". If I throw out every other "little line" to fit your film to a DVD, I have thrown away half of your film, haven't I?

That's what MPEG2 compression does.

Still want me to transfer your film to DVD?

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Worse yet, just to give you the proper perspective on DVDs made by the transfer mills, the DVDs (single layer DVDs) made on a computer are about half the resolution of DVDs (double layered DVDs) that come from the "video store", because they have a smaller capacity.

Does that mean that a DVD, made by most transfer mills, might rival only the home-made quality of a VHS video tape? Does that mean you can forget about ever seeing the quality of your original film?

Yep!

Pseudo-technocrat Note: Did you ever wonder why it takes 2 DVD-Rs, made on a computer, to copy (steal) 1 DVD VIDEO from the video store? (Not that YOU have ever tried to steal a DVD - but that you have just wondered about such technological things that your golf buddy mentioned to you?)

Details about MPEG2 compression and DVDs can be found in the tutorial.

Dirty Little Secret #4:

DVDs are NOT made up of "full frame pictures" -- like your film.

In a nut shell, DVDs are made up of thousands of JPEG pictures, aren't they? "Well, not exactly". The Dirty Little Secret is that MPEG2, the video format for video DVDs, only "starts out" with one JPEG picture (of your grandmother). That's where all similarity ends.

MPEG2 compression is aggressive. To keep the video stream small, it starts throwing away parts of the image it thinks it can "rebuild" from preceding frames. MPEG2 was made to fit tremendous amounts of data into a small space, knowing it would be "played back" on older, fairly low quality televisions which would hide a "multitude of evils" by being too low resolution to really spot the artifacts of the compression.

Much has changed since.

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So, the first frame of your film - of your grandmother - is whole but compressed like a web JPEG image. Good quality if properly done.

Now, let's talk about the second, third, etc., frames (of your grandmother).  All subsequent frames (of your grandmother) are only "partial frames" (of your grandmother's eye blinking and teeth and gums smiling).

This Dirty Little Secret becomes more shady, because what they, the transfer mills, don't tell you is ALL duplicate frames (of your grandmother) are effectively thrown away.

Not much left of your "original film resolution"?
Not much left of your "original film frames"?
Not much left of your "original film" period!

Why do you think they call MPEG2 compression "lossy"?
Still want your film archived to DVD?

Details about MPEG2 compression and DVDs can be found in the tutorial.


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Dirty Little Secret #5:

DVDs can NOT be copied to other "digital formats' without "digital artifacts".

Transfer mills let you think that because DVD is "digital" it can be transferred to other digital formats without loss. BIG WHOPPING WHOPPER LIE.

MPEG2 compression means you've already lost much of your original film - making the transition to another media can make that loss worse!

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In the previous Dirty Little Secret, you learned that DVD MPEG2 format throws out "every other 'little line'" of EVERY picture of your original film (of your grandmother); and DVD MPEG2 format throws out EVERY duplicate frame (of your grandmother); and DVD MPEG2 throws out every thing but the essentials of all partial frames (of your grandmother).

Transfer mills would like you to believe that a video CODEC (Coder/Decoder) will magically re-create everything -- that was thrown away -- into something that rivals your original film? Dream on!

If you try to convert (not just copy) your DVD to a HD DVD (the new high density DVDs of the near future), what will actually happen is the video CODEC will manufacture 'filler" for EVERYTHING that is 'missing". This "filler" is called a digital artifact.

If you ever sat too close to the screen at the movie theater, then you "get the picture" -- that is to say, you do NOT get the picture.

If you have ever tried to enlarge a newspaper picture on a copy machine, then you "get the picture" -- or NOT!

If you have ever tried to digitally enlarge a still photograph -- beyond the size of its actual pixels -- then you "get the picture" -- little square digital blocks, all over every thing.

If you have ever tired to "zoom in" into a picture on your computer "too much", then you "get the picture" - the same kind of picture you will get from trying to "enlarge", "zoom", or otherwise "convert" a DVD MPEG2 into a "high resolution" digital video format.

Still want your 8mm and Super 8 film transferred directly to DVDs?

Dirty Little Secret #6:

"You can edit MPEG2" (DVDs) - but, "not exactly".

There are many software packages out there that let you edit MPEG2 compressed video. Each will warn you about the consequences of "cutting" the video stream anywhere but on a key frame. When it comes to getting the highest possible quality out of your editing efforts, you can edit MPEG... but why would you want to?

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You can "edit" using the MPEG2 format. There are a few little problems however...

  1. The video and audio sometimes do not synchronize so the final picture (of Grandmother) is not in "lip synch" with what she was saying, because of timing issues with re-compression.
    But, "You can edit MPEG2".
  2. The video colors (of Grandmother's skin and dress) tend to smear due to "transcoder" technology - changing from one MPEG2 stream to the new MPEG2 stream - replacing missing key frames and adding new delta frames as "best guesses" on the part of the encoder.
    But, "You can edit MPEG2".
  3. The video image itself (of Grandmother) tends to have digital blocks from re-compression or transcoding.
    But, "You can edit MPEG2".
  4. The original MPEG2 images (of Grandmother) are not the same as the edited version (of Grandmother) becasue of the nature of the MPEG2 compression.
    But "You can edit MPEG2".

In summary, edited MPEG2 files (DVDs) have introduced both old analogue 'generation loss" and a new kind of digital "generation loss" into video (of your grandmother);
BUT, "You can edit MPEG2".
What is more, all the old generation loss and new generation loss will be introduce to ALL future generations of both your video (of Grandmother) and all generations of your family - to remember you by;
BUT, "You can edit MPEG2";
and get "digital artifacts" and "audio to video" disjunction...
and you can't convert your newly edited MPEG2 files to higher resolution video formats without major digital artifacts reinforced and new ones added to your previous low-resolution digital artifacts.
But, "You can edit MPEG2".
No one will want to watch it a second time.
But, "You can edit MPEG2".

Dirty Little Secret #7:

You need a "full frame", "high resolution" digital master -- and a backup.

Let me say it another way: You need a "full frame", "high resolution" digital master that:

  1. Rivals your Original Film (of Grandmother) with "near equivalent" Digital Images (of Grandmother); and,
  2. Allows you to migrate Original Film Images (of Grandmother) to 'high resolution" video formats now and in the future; and,
  3. Allows you to edit and narrate your original film images (of Grandmother) - to preserve her memory and yours.
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Your film is high resolution now. There's no reason to step back from that and accept a lower resolution digital "copy".

The purpose of a digital transfer is to preserve those images and to expand your ability to view and make use of them. Any transfer worth your money will:

  • Deliver resolution enough to see your film as it is now, grain and emulsion artifacts clearly visible.
  • Be transportable, both from media to media as well as physically on its original media
  • Be flexible enough to be easily used, edited and re-stored on new media with no "generational loss".
  • Prevent catastrophic loss of your family memories by being easily duplicated and stored as an archive away from your viewing copies.

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Dirty Little Secret #8:

Most Telecine Methods are VHS quality; NOT High Resolution

The telecine transfer method used to perform your small gage - 8mm, Super 8, and 16mm - film transfer may sound great at first blush.

However, beware of yet another "dirty little secret". Most telecine methods were developed before the digital age and target problems inherent to older "analogue (composite) video". Much advertising today promotes technology of the past. The dirty little secret is, if you use old technology for a film to video transfer, you will in fact get "the same old quality" of old technology.

If you use their older technology, then you get inferior quality for the same price you might otherwise pay for a superior quality. I know, I am in the business. I have literally put very expensive, old equipment in the dumpster - knowing it had great "sales hype" but no "high resolution merit".

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For example, a small gauge, home movie transfer using a "telecine projector" - a movie projector with a built-in camera - uses old analogue, composite video signals. We, the public and the video industry, now regard "composite video" as a "low grade". There never was a small format film "telecine projector" made that had anything but "composite video out" (VHS quality). Yet the internet is filled with "transfer mills", that "hype or hide" their use of these old telecine projectors. 

What transfer mills "hide" is the dirty little secret that any resulting film to tape transfer from an old, small gauge telecine projector would be the near-equivalent quality of an old VHS tape. Yet that's what they use to make their single Layer DVDs. It does not matter that they dup that same video signal onto a high resolution MiniDV tape after the fact -- or during the fact (as a synchronous product). Their video quality is still only VHS quality - which is to say, only single Layer DVD-R quality; Ok, not exactly, but close enough. "Garbage in; garbage out." Adding insult to injury, if a transfer mill "dup" (duplicate) a VHS or DVD quality video to a MiniDV, then they "dupe" you as well - making you think, in error, that you have a "digital master". They call it, "a MiniDV copy" and usually offer it as an "add-on".

When you want to transfer 8mm film to DVD, the dirty little secrets you don't know, really will hurt you -- and all generations of your family, and your film.

Dirty Little Secret #9:

Telecine Projector - VS - Telecine Transfer

The term "telecine transfer" (not to be confused with "telecine projector") is a good, legitimate film to video transfer term, which simply means, the frame rate of your 8mm film, super 8 film, or 16mm film is synchronized with NTSC video frame rates of your TV set -- without a flicker.

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Transfer mills want you to think that you can NOT get a "telecine transfer" without using a "telecine projector". The truth is, there are many ways to get a "telecine transfer" without using a "telecine projector".  We ditched "telecine projectors" years ago.

Confused? You should be. You have not read my tutorial yet. Read on!

Concerned? You really should be. If you make a decision right now, without reading my tutorial, then your odds of making the wrong decision are very good. At this moment, you would be taking a "wild shot in the dark" - with a lot of money - say nothing of risking the future longevity and integrity of your home movies.

In summary:

The concept of transferring "film to DVD" should include a fundamental step of creating a "virgin", high resolution digital master first.

Then - and only then - should "copies" be made onto lower resolution media like DVD-R or VHS or S-VHS or HI8, etc. - for viewing purposes.

Writable DVDs -- DVD-R/+R -- which all of us use -- do not last more that 2 to 5 years before they start to deteriorate.

Example of our video and music.
Example Video of my own home movies.
This is a 4.5 megabyte file in QuickTime format. It's not a perfect example, mostly because it's been compressed very heavily so it can be downloaded easily. Click here to view the video.
Click on the QuickTime button to download a free copy of QuickTime. It is an nice tool to add your computer for viewing video.

Please note the idea of creating a "virgin digital master" does NOT hold true of other websites which in talk about MiniDV tapes. The true dirty little secret is that most transfer mills

  1. Eliminate the virgin digital master altogether or
  2. Offer a MiniDV tape as an "Option or Add-on" which is actually a pseudo-master.
    1. Copying an inferior format, like MPG2 or VHS, onto a MiniDV or
    2. Made by synchronously producing "a MiniDV master" as a by-product of a DVD-R in MPEG2.

To arm yourself with pertinent knowledge, please read through the tutorial.

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